Great felts! I use these in conjunction with Gibraltar's 8mm cymbal sleeves and Shirt Cymbal Felts. For my ride and china, I use one Long Felt underneath and one Long Felt on top. For crashes and splashes, I use one Long Felt underneath and one Short Felt on top. These combinations, I find, allows the correct amount of movement for the different types of cymbals. If you use only the Long felts, you only need to to ensure your cymbals don't move erratically after being hit. These felts are good quality. When you get them out of the packet, they aren't hard like some other felts that I've used before, which is good.